Well hello everybody, at last the kick in the backside has worked, thanks for that Gary. I have been here all the time really, just keeping my beady eye on you all to make sure that you are not misbehaving but never getting round to this logging in business. Anyway, we have made a start and I look forward to getting back when I have something sensible to say. In the meantime, please do not hold your breath waiting for a picture, that's a bit further down the line, my prowess on computer is similar to a chunk of hardwood about 9 x 6x 24 inches, that's pretty thick, but you don't have to agree. So there you have it, the ice is broken, thanks to all my friends on here for their help and will catch up again soon I hope. Kindest regards, Bob.