Thanks Gary and Alan for the welcome. Yes, Alan I certainly remember you talking to me at Casterton, as a matter of interest I had a chap who used to work for my father 70 years ago and who was taught how to plough Gores or Pykes out, (thats the odd- shaped pieces at the finish of an irregular shaped field, I don't know what you called them down your vway,) on our farm on that particular tractor. He had a couple of rounds ploughing on the day and it was as if he'd last driven it two weeks or so previously!!