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Stationary Massey Harris Engines

Today I got this brochure in the mail and thought you guys would like to see some original advertising for the early Massey Type 1 engines. This is a very detailed book covering all the type 1 engines and many of the implements the Type 1 engines could power. The best part is this book came from the same dealership as my #2 Massey tractors. I will have to look in the sales sheets I have from the dealer to see if they sold any of these engines. 
Now I need a type 1 engine to go with my book....
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Hi  Tseaberg,  I have a MH Type 1 20 hp engine, large and heavy ( 2tonnes plus) . I have tried to find a serial number and the pin holes where the plate may have been fixed without success. I believe the very early small engines had no serial numbers.  It is a"pig" to start.  There is a small handle which folds away into the flywheel, suitable for the smaller engines but certainly not this monster.  To start I couple the flywheel with  a belt to the tractor, the engine fires up after getting it over the first compression and runs as new.   I bought the engine at the Domevalley Museum auction, built between 1902 -  1904 and used to pump water in the Sacramento Delta California. Can you confirm the build date?
With the the condition of the engine I don't think it pumped a gallon of water, surmise the operators were unable to start it. The engine part numbers. ----
 Main brgs (2) AA264 
 Flywheels (2) AA269. ( 42" dia.)
 Crankcase cover. AA271
 Crankcase   AA379
  exhaust Rocker arm. AA270. (45" long)
Connecting Rod   AA268
 Piston. 10" dia.   Stroke. 10"
There is gear wheel (17" dia. with 32 teeth)  fixed to the inside of RHS flywheel   Nothing was ever matched up the gear as there are no signs of wear.
  Any further information will be appreciated



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The serial number plate on the type 1 engines was on the crank guard or splash guard over the crank.  These were commonly removed and never put back on the engine.  Your part numbers are definitely type 1,  20HP numbers. Type 1 engines were built from 1913 to about 1925.

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I would really like to see some more pictures of your engine if you can post some?
There is one poor photo of it in the sale bill from the museum. I assume it is still green?

From what little information I have heard is they did sometimes stamped the serial number in other locations besides the tag. Some places I would search is the end of the crankshaft. Also look at the top of the flange between the cylinder and base if the hopper is not in the way.

My book does show water pumps but nothing for engines bigger than 8h.p.


And one last thing. From what I can tell the 20 became the 15 in later years. The early books show the 12, 15 and 20 while the newer books show 10, 12 and 15 with all of the same dimensions just one size smaller on the h.p. rating. Unfortunately there is not many others to compare with.

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The large Type 1 engines are very impressive, very rarely seen out on the show fields.

Here are some photographs of a very nicely restored 12 HP often seen out in Canada.

Malcolm.
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Here is a note from Jim White I received as an email with more info on his engine:

Attached is pic. of the engine as bought also others maybe of interest.  Have searched for the serial number in the positions as suggested.   Question --- is it possible the crank shaft was replaced ? 

The green paint work is consistent on all components. Will keep searching. Other engines in my collection ----

1918 type 1,  1928 type 2, 1933 type 3.

Thanks for all the valued information.

      Jim


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I looked up the base part numbers in my parts book.
I have the parts book for the old style type 1
and the new style type 1 engines

AA260 is the 20 HP base
AA379 is the 15 HP base

The other thing is the cam gear is on the inside of the crank case on 15 HP engines
and on the outside of the crank case on 20 HP engines.
other than that they are basically the same engine.

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I just found two more photo's of Jim's engine after the sale before it was removed from the Dome Valley Museum building.

Malcolm.
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Tom.   Thanks for the info., confirms my engine is 15hp.   If possible and if convenient could you please forward me a copy of your parts book.   I will reimburse you ( cost and postage )  as required. Jim

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yes I can copy both books and mail copies to you.
If your exhaust is 2 1/2" I had some mufflers cast off of my original.
I also had some brass tags made like the original.
you can send your address to my E-mail at tomj@jansensheating.com
Thanks Tom